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  • Hélio de Menezes Silva
    Caros irmãos e irmãs, Minha esposa e ajudadora, Nira, fez uma cirurgia de catarata e não pode ficar mais tempo no computador do que já passa escrevendo e
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      Caros irmãos e irmãs,

      Minha esposa e ajudadora, Nira, fez uma cirurgia de catarata e não pode ficar mais tempo no computador do que já passa escrevendo e traduzindo seus estudos para as senhoras da igreja e para o seu grupo Bereanas.

      Se, porventura, algum de vocês gostar muito do artigo abaixo (que combate certos exageros de certos fundamentalistas santarrões demais, perfecionistas), e se puder traduzí-lo, eu esperarei o tempo que for necessário, não há pressa.

      Mas, embora eu tenha colocado numa coluna com uma tradução feita por um software, ela é horrível, totalmente inaceitável, precisa ser radicalmente corrigida (eu mesmo prefiro traduzir a partir somente do inglês, corrigir uma tradução me é mais difícil e toma mais tempo... Corrija tudo com extremo rigor.)



      Deus nos abençoe, à medida que nos esforçamos para melhor obedecer-Lhe.
      Hélio de Menezes Silva


      Republished April 28, 2004 (first published September 12, 1999) (David Cloud, Fundamental Baptist Information Service, P.O. Box 610368, Port Huron, MI 48061, 866-295-4143, fbns@...; for instructions about subscribing and unsubscribing or changing addresses, see the information paragraph at the end of the article) -

      [The first edition of the following article appeared in O Timothy magazine in 1993 under the title “The Other Side of Separation.” We later published an updated edition under the title “Grace and Authority in the Church.” This article is a completely new rewriting and enlargement of the latter.] 

      A few years ago I received a letter from a young couple who exhorted me as follows: “Your book on separation is very good, but you may want to add a caveat that a person must have a better church to separate to before he separates from a church. We were shocked at the liberal doctrines held by the fundamental churches in our city.” 

      Later they wrote to me and shared with me more detail about these things. 
      Following are specific things that they mentioned: 

      (1) Their former pastor did not teach that women should not work outside the home, and the wife of the associate pastor worked. (2) The church held parties or fellowships on Valentines Day, Halloween, and Christmas. (3) The pastor allowed a divorced person to work in the bus ministry. (4) The pastor failed to correct publicly certain erroneous statements which were given during testimony times and certain (supposed) erroneous statements which were made by visiting preachers. (5) The pastor failed to do anything about missionaries who joked and told stories in the pulpit. (6) Though the church took a stand for the KJV, this man did not think there was sufficient teaching on the subject of Bible versions. (7) The pastor “used humor to break the tension” in his preaching, whereas this one felt that sober- mindedness required that such levity in the pulpit cease. (8) The pastor seemed to prefer to let God change people about such things as appearance (long hair, ear rings on men, etc.) rather than approach them directly. 

      The couple eventually wrote and said they had “separated” from this fundamental Baptist church and from its pastor “because of his liberal teaching on remarriage, women working outside the home and his refusal to correct error.” 

      It is natural that in any church we will find things with which we do not agree. To practice Bible separation based on the type of things discussed in this letter, though, is not proper or healthy, in my estimation. These are not matters of “liberalism” or apostasy. These are matters of preference, or, at best, relatively minor issues. Church members must deal with many such things. 

      While we are to separate from error, we are also exhorted to submit ourselves to pastoral authority and to exercise grace in the church. I believe there are many types of things with which we can disagree in a church while continuing to submit ourselves to God-ordained authority. There does not have to be a contradiction here. 

      I know of others who have separated from practically all churches because none of them take what they believe is a proper stand in all matters. Many times these are good people who want to stand for the Word of God and who want to contend for the truth in a confused and apostate hour. (Many others, though, are contentious people who simply refuse to submit to God-ordained authority.) I praise the Lord for anyone who has a zeal for the truth in this wicked hour, but I also believe there are some important lessons in the Word of God that can help us deal with the complex matter of church membership. 

      I believe the following thoughts, which are an enlargement of my original reply to the aforementioned couple, can help us to have a more fruitful attitude toward the assembly in spite of the many problems and imperfections we find there. I have thought and prayed a lot about these things, so please bear with me while I offer seven things we must know and do in order to be a fruitful member of a New Testament church. I think of these things as “keys to fruitful church membership.” 


      Let me hasten to say that I am utterly opposed to ecumenism and compromise. I realize that New Evangelicals and ecumenists take some of the things we will deal with in this article and misuse them to excuse their disobedience. They speak much of love and liberty, but they take verses on these subjects out of context and refuse to deal with the enormous amount of material in the Word of God on other subjects, such as separation, rebuking sin and error, apostasy, and discipline. 

      In this article I intend to deal with grace and liberty and submission to the church, but do not think that I am thereby ignoring the responsibility to stand for truth and righteousness. 

      Those who know us will not have to be told this, but I say this for the sake of our readers who do not know us. For twenty-six years, we have stood unapologetically for Bible separation. In this instance, though, we are dealing with other equally important matters. 



      The first and foremost key to fruitful church membership is a real and abiding relationship with Jesus Christ. 

      “Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away? Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life. And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God” (John 6:67-69).

      “Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me” (John 15:4). 

      “And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming” (1 John 2:28).

      In order to submit to godly pastoral leadership and to have spiritual discernment to know right from wrong in churches, one must be born again and have the indwelling Spirit of God. Many church members who cause unnecessary problems in the church and who injure the welfare of the church do so because they do not have a saving relationship with Jesus Christ. They do not have spiritual discernment, they walk after the flesh rather than the Spirit, they do not know how to submit to authority, and they do not care how they harm the church, because they are not born again. The Bible warns that God will deal severely with those who harm His churches. “If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are” (1 Cor. 3:17). The reason many troublemakers do not fear God’s retribution for their actions in the churches is that they are not saved. 

      In order to be a fruitful church member year after year, one must not only be saved but he also must abide in Christ. He must walk in fellowship with Christ the Saviour day by day. When we walk with Christ and have our eyes upon Him, we do not become offended at what man does in this world. “Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them” (Psalm 119:165). This is why some church members throw up their hands and quit or become disgruntled and spiritually ineffective when they witness a pastoral failure or some such serious problem in the church, whereas other church members keep on for the Lord in spite of any discouragement that comes their way. They are disappointed when men fail them, but they do not quit or turn aside because their eyes are upon One who never fails!

      Abiding in Jesus Christ is the most crucial key to fruitful church membership. 


      Another thing we must understand to be a fruitful church member is that God ordained the church. It is a divine institution and it is the center of God’s work in the world today and is to continue until Jesus returns. 

      The Bible emphasizes that the church is God’s chosen means of accomplishing His purposes in this age. Even the most cursory study of the New Testament reveals that the church is God’s chosen means of accomplishing His purposes in this age. There are more than 100 references to the church in the New Testament. This shows the emphasis that the Holy Spirit has put upon the church, and the vast majority of those references are unquestionably to the local assembly, not to a general or prospective aspect of the church. 

      Men have corrupted churches, but the church is God’s plan. The Lord Jesus said, “I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it” (Mat. 16:18). The church is Christ’s program. 

      The church is the pillar and ground of the truth (1 Tim. 3:16), and that is a church with elders and elders (1 Tim. 3:1, 8). 

      Most of the New Testament was written directly to churches. And even those portions not written directly to a particular church refer to the church. The theme of Acts is the planting and multiplication of the first churches. The Pastoral Epistles (1 and 2 Timothy and Titus) were written to instruct church planters in their work. 

      Even the General Epistles, which are not written to particular churches, always have the churches in mind. Hebrews refers to the church in chapters 10 and 13. Hebrews 10:25 exhorts God’s people not to forsake the assembling of themselves together. In Hebrews 13:7 and 17 Christians are exhorted to obey church rulers. The last chapter of James refers to the church. Those who are sick are to call for the “elders of the church.” The final chapter of 1 Peter also refers to the church, in exhorting elders in their duties. John refers to the church in his third epistle, when he mentions the proud Diotrephes. The book of Revelation, of course, is addressed to the seven churches that existed in that day. 

      Consider, too, that there is no Bible instruction about the discipline and watch care of Christians apart from the church. There is no instruction about leadership among Christians apart from the church. The entire life and work of God’s people for this age appears in the context of the assembly. 

      We must also understand what a church is. A proper New Testament church has certain biblical ingredients. It is not merely a group of Christians meeting for prayer and Bible study. Paul wrote to Titus about church work in Crete. The gospel had been preached and there were believers who were meeting together, but that was not sufficient. Paul instructed Titus that certain things were lacking (Titus 1:5). What were those things? The thing that was lacking was proper qualified leadership and biblical organization, and these are the thing that Paul addresses in the book of Titus. The very first thing that Paul instructs Titus about is the ordination of elders. “For this cause left I thee in Crete, that thou shouldest set in order the things that are wanting, and ordain elders in every city, as I had appointed thee” (Titus 1:5). 

      We see the same thing in the book of Acts. When Paul and Barnabas raised up groups of believers in various towns, they were careful to “ordain elders in every church” (Acts 14:23). 

      A proper New Testament church, therefore, is a body of baptized believers who are congregated together under the oversight of qualified and ordained pastor/elders and who are following the pattern of government and accomplishing the work described in the apostolic epistles. 

      It is clear from Scripture that it is God’s will that every believer be a faithful and fruitful member of a sound New Testament church. That is what we see in Acts 2. Those who were saved on the day of Pentecost “continued stedfastly in the apostles’ doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers” (Acts 2:42)

      If there is not such a church in the area, the establishment of such a church must be the highest priority. A believer should never be content merely to listen to preaching sermons on a cassette player or CD, or to read sermons from a book, or to listen to preaching on the radio or television, or to meet together with a loose-knit group of believers without proper biblical leadership and organization. 

      The reason I have remained a faithful member of a church for 32 years is not that I have found perfect pastors and perfect churches, but because I know that this is God’s will and anything less would displease Him. It is my understanding of the doctrine of the church that keeps me going in spite of grave imperfections I have found in churches. 


      Another thing we must understand is that there are no perfect churches. We have mentioned this, but it needs to be emphasized very strongly. It sounds like a simple matter, but it is not. It is something that must be relearned frequently. 

      Even the early churches founded and pastored by the apostles had problems. In fact, there were very serious problems in many of the early churches. Consider the church at Corinth. The members were carnal and divided. They refused to discipline one of their own although he was living in open fornication with his father’s wife! They were taking each other to court. They were getting drunk during the Lord’s Supper. They were misusing the spiritual gifts. They allowed false teachers to discredit the Apostle Paul. What a church! Yet Paul was thankful for the grace God had given them (1 Cor. 1:4). The seven churches mentioned in Revelation two and three also had many serious problems, including spiritual coldness, false teachers, and immorality. Two women in the church at Philippi had to be corrected for being antagonistic toward one another (Phil. 4:2). Paul had to rebuke Peter for his hypocrisy (Gal. 2:11-14). Paul and Barnabas had a contention that was “so sharp between them, that they departed asunder one from the other” (Acts 15:39). Need we go on? There never has been a church that did not have problems, and the simple reason for this is that church members are sinners. 

      It is not therefore surprising to find many problems in independent Baptist churches today. I have been a part of the independent Baptist movement for more than three decades and have spoken in 450 or more churches across North America and in many other lands, and I have observed the problems firsthand. When I was a young Christian at Bible school, I saw problems that almost devastated me. As I started Bible school training in 1974, I was almost 25 years old, but I was only one year old in the Lord, and I was shocked at many things. Thirty years later, I am still saddened by these same things! These were things such as Sunday School promotionalism which turn the church of Jesus Christ into a carnival; extreme levity at times in the pulpit; little biblical content in some of the preaching; exaltation of men above that which is proper; shallow, manipulative methods of evangelism and an overemphasis on “decisions” and “prayers” rather than repentance and regeneration. 

      Because of issues like these, I left after the completion of my first year, determined to attend a different school. The Lord gave me no peace over my decision, though, and within a few weeks I returned and completed my studies. In looking back, I am pleased with the Lord’s leading, though I did not understand it very well at the time. The other school that I was looking at was Calvinistic and was part of a group that was well down the path to New Evangelicalism, and I would have faced an entirely different set of problems--problems even more unhealthy to my Christian life than the ones I was trying to flee. 

      I still believe the aforementioned problems are wrong, and I try to avoid them as much as possible; but I have also learned some things that have helped me, I believe, have a more balanced attitude toward church problems in general.

      In spite of the fact that all churches are imperfect, we do not see in Scripture any healthy examples of Christians who disregarded the assembly. In fact, those who separated themselves were considered unregenerate. John says, “They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us” (1 Jn. 2:19). 


      Another key to fruitful church membership is keen spiritual discernment. Notice the following Scriptures:

      “Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone” (Matt. 23:23).

      “And I myself also am persuaded of you, my brethren, that ye also are full of goodness, filled with all knowledge, able also to admonish one another” (Rom. 15:14).

      “Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth” (2 Tim. 2:15).

      “For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat. For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe. But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil” (Heb. 5:12-14).

      In Matthew 23:23, the Lord Jesus Christ taught that not all things in the Bible are of equal importance. Some biblical teachings are “weightier” than some others. Everything in the Bible has some importance, but everything is not of equal importance. Knowing the difference between the two requires a thorough knowledge of God’s Word and keen spiritual discernment. This is the lesson of Romans 15:14; 2 Timothy 2:15; and Hebrews 5:12-14. Such discernment comes only through long and diligent study and through exercise of the senses to discern good and evil. Paul told the church at Rome that the reason they were able to admonish one another was because they were full of goodness and filled with knowledge (Rom. 15:14).

      It is my conviction that the friends who wrote to me that they were separating from that independent Baptist church lacked the maturity to distinguish between the “weighty” matters of biblical truth and those matters that are less significant. Although they lacked such maturity, they felt they had better discernment than even their godly pastor. This happens frequently. In fact, it is a characteristic of young Christians. Someone has wisely stated that a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. This is one reason why God forbids a novice to be a church leader (1 Tim. 3:6). The young Christian begins to gain some knowledge of the Bible and the ministry, and suddenly he “knows it all” and tries to straighten out everybody else, blithely ignorant of his own serious shortcomings. This happens frequently to young Christians who are in Bible College. They have some knowledge, but often they don’t have the experience and maturity to use it correctly. If they are not careful with their newly found knowledge and zeal, they can cause more problems than they solve! 

      Pastors and churches are to be judged by the Word of God (1 Thess. 5:21), but church members cannot do this until they first gain the necessary biblical knowledge and discernment required for such judgment. Young Christians need to be extremely cautious and patient about exercising judgment against the pastor. Unless the matter in question is something that is exceedingly plain from the Bible and unless there are mature Christians who can confirm the judgment, it is wise for the immature Christian to the pastor’s greater knowledge and maturity. 

      One of my evangelist friends differentiates between the “weightier matters” of God’s Word and the less weighty by calling them “fatal” and “non-fatal” teachings. That is a good distinction. It does not mean that the “non-fatal” teachings of God’s Word are of no importance; it simply means they are less important than some other matters. 

      Some of the “weightier matters” of God’s Word in relation to churches are things such as sound doctrine, the gospel, Christian love, godliness, separation from error, and soul-winning and missions. Some of the less weighty matters are things like the music program (within reason), Sunday School materials, promotions, youth activities (again, within reason), special speakers, and political involvement. Good examples of less weighty matters are the list of eight things mentioned at the beginning of this article: whether or not the church has fellowships at Christmas or jokes being told from the pulpit, etc.

      I am not saying that the child of God should ignore Christian rock music or false teaching or unqualified leadership or anything like that. I am not saying we are to be blind to things that are wrong. I am simply saying that not all matters are of equal importance, and we must learn to weigh various issues of church life in order to exercise mature judgment.

      We see this in Christ’s judgment of the churches in Revelation 2-3. The problems He rebuked were of a truly serious nature. He did not rebuke a church because of joking in the pulpit; He did not rebuke a church for having a church social on Valentine’s Day or for using recorded music during the specials. I’m not trying to be facetious. I’m not trying to make light of the less important things, but the fact remains that Christ did not treat all church problems with the same degree of seriousness, and we must follow His example. This is exactly what we see in the church epistles. The problems rebuked by the Apostles under inspiration of the Holy Spirit were of a very serious nature. The Church at Corinth was not rebuked for allowing a divorced man to work in the evangelistic ministry, but for drunkenness and immorality and carnal divisions. 


      Another key to fruitful church membership is to understand the difference between conviction and preference. Conviction is based upon a clear teaching of God’s Word. Preference is not. A Christian can have preferences on all sorts of church matters, but he is not at liberty to make his preference a law for others. This is discussed in Romans 14:

      “Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations. For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs. Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him. Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks” (Romans 14:1-6). 

      This passage is often misused by ecumenists to support their phony idea of legalism. They claim that it is not right to judge others even in matters of doctrine, but that is nonsense. It is not legalism to cry out against sin, to judge false teachers, to set standards for God’s people based on the clear teaching of the Word of God, to demand that Christians obey the details of the Bible. In Romans 14, the Lord is forbidding us to judge others IN MATTERS THAT ARE NOT CLEARLY TAUGHT IN SCRIPTURE. Two examples are given: what we eat and how we respect holy days. These are issues that the New Testament does not address. There are no dietary laws for Christians, and there are no Old Testament holy days that we must keep. These are matters of Christian liberty. I am free to eat meat or not to eat meat, but I am not free to judge others by my conscience in this matter or in any other matter that is not plainly taught in the Scripture. 

      When the Scripture speaks plainly, we must speak; but when the Scripture has no plain word, we have no authority to speak. In such matters I am free to follow my conscience and the Lord’s leading in all matters for my personal life, but I am not free to make my conscience a law for others in areas of Christian liberty. That is the teaching of Romans 14. 

      I believe many of the things mentioned earlier in this article fall into this category. There is the matter, for example, of holding fellowships on Valentine’s Day, Christmas, and Halloween. Obviously it is wrong to be involved in witchcraft, idolatry, or immorality, but as for the days themselves, they are nothing. The Lord made the days. Why would it be wrong to have a church fellowship on October 31, for example, as long as the church does not promote things associated with evil, such as a haunted house, or similar things connected with ghosts and goblins? If the church tried to incorporate such worldly, evil things into the youth activities, this should be resisted loudly; but if they are simply having a youth activity on or near October 31 in order to reach the unsaved or be a blessing to Christian young people, there is nothing wrong with this. It is strictly a matter of preference. Our church often has a Harvest Fellowship at Halloween time, primarily to provide an activity for to help keep young people away from the wicked things that go on in the world then. I see nothing unscriptural about this. 

      Likewise, the Lord made February 14. The Lord made romance. If a church wants to have some sort of fellowship on that day, so be it. Don’t get me wrong. I am not giving a blanket endorsement of the world’s holidays. There is much that is evil there. Cupid is connected with a pagan god of lust, and the Christian must avoid every form of immorality; but I don’t believe it is wrong for a church to have a fellowship or some sort of sweetheart banquet at Valentine’s Day for married couples. There doesn’t have to be immorality or lasciviousness involved, and that is what God forbids. 

      I am convinced there is freedom of conscience in such matters. They are matters of preference. If a person doesn’t want to have any type of get together on such days, he shouldn’t have them. He also doesn’t have to participate in something at the church if his conscience will not allow him to do so, but he shouldn’t make his own opinions about these things a law for others. God has made no such laws. 

      I know some are going to groan when they hear this, but I believe this principle is applicable for certain Christmas practices, as well. We know that the Christmas season has come from Rome and from paganism. I am as opposed to Romanism as anyone. I have written many unpopular books against Rome. Yet while I am sickened at the commercialism and debauchery that characterizes the Christmas holidays on the part of some, I don’t think it is wrong to enjoy some aspects of that season. I am convinced there is Christian liberty in many of these things. Definitely we must not be involved with Santa Claus, which is a combination of a pagan god and a Catholic “saint,” but I believe a person can enjoy the social and family aspects of the season without worshipping false gods or committing sacrilege. I don’t believe in setting up Christmas trees in or having a Santa visit the church, but I don’t think it is wrong to have a nativity play and sing some of the Christmas carols that are Scriptural and otherwise involve one’s self in activities which do not bring dishonor to the Lord Jesus Christ. 

      Let me be quick to say that it is important that the church recognize that Christmas is not a biblical celebration of the birth of Christ. We must not try to Christianize paganism. That is the essence of Romanism. The only holy day God has specifically given to the churches is the first day of the week, the resurrection day. This is what we are to focus on, but it is also true that the Bible does speak much about Christ’s birth. 

      I know this is a delicate subject, and there are strong feelings on all sides. My goal is not to defend Christmas. I am simply talking about one’s attitude toward those things which other people or churches do that I might not agree with, but which are not directly and plainly condemned in the Word of God. I am trying to illustrate this with some concrete things that we face in everyday life. I don’t expect every reader to agree with me in all of these matters, but I am trying to illustrate that we have liberty in matters not directly addressed in Scripture. The very fact that each of these matters is highly controversial illustrates my point. I must be careful that I am not trying to make my own preference in some issue a law for others. 

      While we must stand for the Word of God in every detail, we must also be careful that we not take away God-given liberty and hold our own conscience up as a law for all. Anything which is not clearly taught in Scripture falls into this category--whether or not a church uses musical instruments, the type of music that a church uses (we know that some types of music are clearly wrong, but there is also a lot of liberty in the area of music), times and days of services, evangelistic methods, how to conduct children’s ministries. The list is very long. It is a blessing to see that God has given us much liberty in Christ and that in these matters each Christian and each church is free to follow the Holy Spirit’s leading. 


      Another crucial key in fruitful church membership is a right attitude toward pastoral authority.

      “Remember them which have the rule over you, who have spoken unto you the word of God: whose faith follow, considering the end of their conversation” (Heb. 13:7). 

      “Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you” (Heb. 13:17).

      We have looked at the emphasis God has placed on the local church. That emphasis is woven into the very warp and woof of the New Testament and is undeniable. It is God’s will that every Christian be a faithful, fruitful, contributing member of a sound church. That being the case, it is not surprising that we are exhorted to obey those who have the rule over us. The verses quoted above are strong; we are to obey our church leaders. They are not to be dictators; they do not have unlimited authority; they are not to be obeyed unquestioningly; but they ARE rulers. Hebrews uses plain language, and I believe it means exactly what it says. Not all Christians have equal authority in this world. Some are rulers and the others are to obey those rulers. 

      The pastors of a church have the major responsibility before the Lord for the teachings, practices, and direction of that church. 

      The Bible warns that the church leaders watch for our souls and that we must not cause them grief for that is unprofitable for us. I believe that this points to the judgment seat of Christ. If I am a grief to my pastor, it will result in grief for me at Christ’s judgment bar. THE NOTABLE EXCEPTION TO THIS, OF COURSE, IS IF THE PASTOR HIMSELF IS RESISTING THE WORD OF GOD OR IS FAILING TO OBEY THE WORD OF GOD OR IS LEADING CONTRARY TO THE WORD OF GOD IN SOME AREA OF HIS MINISTRY AND IS GRIEVED AT ME SIMPLY FOR MY STAND FOR GOD’S WORD. (In the article “Unquestioning Loyalty to Pastoral Leadership Is the Mark of a Cult” I have dealt with the abuse side of pastoral authority. This article is in the Church section of the End Times Apostasy Database at the Way of Life Literature web site --

      Thus I must find a church that is following the Word of God, and I must then obey and be a blessing to my leaders in that church; I must support that church in every way possible. That is the will of God for every Christian. The leaders, in turn, will give an account to the Lord for their teaching and decisions. THEY HOLD THE GREATER RESPONSIBILITY, AND I, AS A CHURCH MEMBER, WILL NOT GIVE ACCOUNT FOR EVERYTHING THAT GOES ON IN THE CHURCH. 

      Obviously, this does not mean we are to close our eyes to false teaching and sin, but it DOES mean that I am not to try to impose my views in all matters upon the church and its leaders. I must remember that I am not the pastor of the church; I therefore don’t have wisdom, the unction, or the responsibility for that. I must submit to those who are the pastors, and I must allow them to make decisions with which I might not agree, submitting myself because God has told me to do so. 

      The church member will never find a pastor with whom he agrees 100%. Think about it. This would be impossible. The only one with whom I agree with 100% is myself, and sometimes I disagree with myself! We all know this in theory but the practice of it is often a difficult matter. I must recognize that if I am ever to submit to a pastor, it will be to an imperfect one. 

      Is it not reasonable to believe that God can guide the man he has placed over the church? Who am I to try to impose my views upon him? I must understand this if I am to learn to get along in a church and to be a fruitful member. God works in this world through our imperfections. This, of necessity, is the way He works in a church. 

      The friends who wrote to me that they were separating from a fundamental Baptist church said that the pastor holds what they believe to be a weak position on divorce and remarriage. By this, they meant that the pastor allowed a divorced person to work in the bus ministry. The thing to keep in mind is that this is an extremely difficult matter. I take a strong position personally against divorce and remarriage, and I believe we must preach boldly against divorce. I don’t believe a divorced man is qualified to be a pastor or a deacon, but I don’t believe it is wrong for a divorced person to work in the bus ministry. There are difficulties with any position one might take on this issue, and the more perverted our society becomes, and the more fragmented our families become, the more difficult it will be to deal with problems in this area. 

      The problem with divorce and remarriage is not so much whether a pastor believes divorce is wrong; practically all Fundamentalist pastors believe this. The difficulty comes in how we treat those who are divorced. Do we allow them to join our churches? I know of one Fundamental Bible church that does not allow divorced people to be members. Does the pastor perform the weddings for those who are divorced? If so, under what conditions? Do we allow divorced people to serve in the church? If so, in what capacity? Can they be Sunday School teachers? Can they be ushers? Can they work in the bus ministry? Good churches differ in these matters, and I believe this is an example of something in which a church member can submit to his rulers, leaving it in the hands of the Lord. 

      The pastors will answer to God about these things, and there are many matters like this. I might disagree with my pastor over his teaching on giving, for example. I know Fundamentalist Christians who don’t believe tithing is for the New Testament. I don’t agree with them, but this is what some believe, and these will disagree with a church that teaches storehouse tithing. 

      I might disagree with some of the music in my church. Some Christians don’t like any “canned” or recorded background music to be played during the services; others don’t like guitars to be used; others don’t like gospel quartets. In my estimation, none of these things are wrong in themselves; it is the character of the music that is performed that makes such things right or wrong. I have heard some spiritual recorded music, and I have heard some unspiritual recorded music. I have heard guitars used in a spiritual manner as well as in a carnal manner. I have heard spiritual quartets and unspiritual ones. The point is that there is some room for variety in the music program of the church, and I probably will not agree with all of the decisions that are made. 

      I might disagree over the standards my church has for workers, thinking the standards are too strict, or not strict enough. I might disagree over whether or not a pastor has a TV and whether or not he preaches against this. (We would never encourage someone to stay in a church that has low moral standards for workers and teachers, if they listen to rock music, for example, or wear immodest clothing, and in which the pastor and leaders watched wicked television programming. I am merely saying that my exact standards might not be enforced by the pastors, and that alone does not mean that they are wrong or that I should leave.)

      I might disagree with how my church conducts its business meetings. My home church, for example, doesn’t include women in the business meetings. The women can attend if they choose, but do not make motions or vote. The men conduct the business. Imagine such a thing in this feministic society! I am sure there are many who would not agree with this. 

      I might disagree with some of the missionaries the church supports. 

      I might disagree with some of the ways the church finances are used. 

      I might disagree with the kind of materials that are used in Sunday School, about whether or not promotions are used, about whether or not puppets and such things are used, about whether or not there is a bus ministry, or with the way it is operated. 

      I might have problems with what is or is not said and done at Christmas, or about how the missions program is conducted. I might not like some of the special speakers that the pastor brings in. I might disagree with my pastor over his involvement or lack of involvement in political and social issues. I might disagree with the pastor regarding his dealings with erring members. He might seem too patient, too soft, or too harsh. 

      I’m simply saying that there are many things that we must leave in the hands of the pastors, and this is never an easy matter. In every church I’ve been a member of I’ve disagreed with some things. There is a time to leave a church over things that we believe are wrong, but we must also learn to put many things into the hands of the Lord and do what He has told us to do: submit to the church leadership and be a blessing. The pastors must be the pastors. They will answer for things that I will not answer for, and they have an authority that I do not have. This is not shirking responsibility; it is obedience to the Bible; and it is wisdom and blessing. 


      Another crucial key to fruitful church membership is to bathe all of our judgments in love and mercy and graciousness. 

      “But speaking the truth IN LOVE, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ” (Eph. 4:15). 

      “Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort WITH ALL LONGSUFFERING and doctrine” (2 Tim. 4:2). 

      “Hold fast the form of sound words, which thou hast heard of me, IN FAITH AND LOVE which is in Christ Jesus” (2 Tim. 1:13). 

      “And the servant of the Lord must not strive; BUT BE GENTLE UNTO ALL MEN, apt to teach, PATIENT, IN MEEKNESS instructing those that oppose themselves...” (2 Tim. 2:24,25). 

      “Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one IN THE SPIRIT OF MEEKNESS; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted. Bear ye one another’s burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ” (Gal. 6:1,2). 

      Some of the things mentioned in the letter from the friends who “separated” from the fundamental Baptist church remind me of these verses. God tells us that we must always maintain an attitude of meekness, patience, and compassion when dealing with people about their problems. 

      The friends mentioned some instances in which their pastor supposedly “failed to correct error in the church.” The examples they gave made me think of the above verses. While it is crucial to stand for the truth and to rebuke sin and error, there is also such a thing as wisdom and patience and caution when dealing with people. You don’t necessarily come down hard and publicly on every problem that arises. 

      They mentioned the rambling testimony of a new convert. She believed a woman who had recently died went to Heaven because of the peaceful expression on the face of her corpse. That’s a weird testimony, to be sure, but I don’t think it is something the pastor should necessarily have corrected publicly. Lack of graciousness and wisdom can easily turn a slight problem into a very large one. 

      They mentioned a deacon who testified that “he liked to put God in impossible situations just to see what He will do,” and they seemed shocked that their pastor and the other deacons said “Amen” to this. They said this contradicts Matthew 4:5-7, in which the Lord told the Devil that we are not to tempt God. I don’t think this is the case. The deacon was probably just saying that it is a great thing to be in a situation in which God must do something special to help us, or something to that effect. I read a little ditty in the Maranatha!!! paper a few years ago that said, “When God is going to do something wonderful, He begins with difficulty; if it is going to be something very wonderful, He begins with an impossibility!” That is probably the same idea that the deacon was trying to convey. His way of saying it might have left something to be desired, but this is not a serious matter. We must judge such things in a spirit of graciousness and patience, always giving the benefit of the doubt. 

      They mentioned that the song leader said one night that Satan was the king of this world, and that Christ was not king. They said that since Christ is Prophet, Priest, and King, they felt the title of king is reserved for Christ. That is not so. Christ is King of kings and Lord of lords, but there are kings many and lords many in this present order of things. Satan is called the god of this world (2 Cor. 4:4) and the prince of the power of the air (Eph. 2:2). He is not necessarily spoken of as king of the world, but I do not believe it would be wrong to call him that in light of the verses quoted. He is king in the hearts of lost people. This is a petty matter that requires more graciousness than that which was displayed by the couple who wrote to me. 

      A pastor has to exercise supernatural wisdom and kindness. This is one reason I have a tremendously high regard for godly, scriptural pastors. They must always walk that fine line between caution, concern, and compromise, between zeal for the truth and patience with the erring. I believe they have the most difficult job in the world. If they make mistakes and fail to do everything exactly as we think they should, we shouldn’t be surprised! We must always season our judgments with grace. Mel Rutter, retired Vice President of Maranatha Baptist Mission, once told me, “Dave, be as firm as the rock in your position for truth, but as sweet as the honey from the rock in your disposition when striving for truth.” That’s good advice, and though I have often fallen very short of practicing this, it is definitely one of the chief goals of my ministry. I want to be a gracious Christian and a gracious preacher. Anything less is unchristlike. 


      There is much more that could be said, but I will stop here. I must add that I am not giving a blanket recommendation of independent Baptists churches. There are MANY I would not join because of matters I count too serious to overlook. There is immorality in some. Some are New Evangelical in practice. Some use all sorts of corrupted Bibles. Some remind me more of a carnival than a church. Some appear not to know anything of old-fashioned Bible holiness and separation from the world and have very low or nonexistent standards for dress and entertainment. Some use the world’s music. Some require unquestioning loyalty to the pastor, which the Bible never demands. (The pastor’s authority is limited by the Bible, and he is to be proven in all things -- 1 Thess. 5:21. Further, he is not a lord; he is a shepherd.). 

      Please understand, too, that I am not trying to quench anyone’s zeal for doing right. We need more zeal for truth and righteousness, not less. It certainly is not wrong to try to correct perceived problems in our churches, or to talk to the pastor about things with which we disagree. The Bible instructs us to “prove all things” (1 Thess. 5:21) and to judge all preaching (1 Cor. 14:29). There is a ministry of correction that is taught plainly in Scripture, but I did not set out to address that subject in this article. Here, I am merely trying to balance the zeal for correction with some other things that are equally important. I want to be a blessing to the churches. The Bible makes it plain that God wants His work to be done through the church; thus it behooves us to make a supreme effort to submit ourselves to this institution except in matters of clear doctrinal error and moral corruption. 

      POSTSCRIPT: The people to whom I originally addressed the above information did not receive my counsel. In fact, they cut off all fellowship from me and counted me as their enemy and as a compromiser of the truth. The last I heard about them, they were moving from church to church, becoming increasingly bitter, in search of that ideal congregation. This is very sad, but I have seen almost exactly the same thing happen many other times. 

      Sete chaves para ser um FRUTÍFERO MEMBRO DE UMA IGREJA 


      Republicada 28 de abril de 2004 (publicado pela primeira vez 12 de setembro de 1999) (David Cloud, Fundamental Baptist Information Service, PO Box 610368, Port Huron, MI 48061, 866-295-4143, fbns@...; para obter instruções sobre subscrever e cancelar ou endereços mudando, veja o parágrafo a informação no final do artigo) -- 

      [A primeira edição do seguinte artigo apareceu na revista O Timóteo, em 1993, sob o título "O Outro Lado da separação." Mais tarde publicou uma edição atualizada, sob o título "Graça e Autoridade na Igreja". Este artigo é um completamente novo reconfiguração e alargamento deste último.] 

      Alguns anos atrás eu recebi uma carta de um jovem casal que exortou-me o seguinte: "Seu livro sobre a separação é muito bom, mas você pode querer acrescentar uma ressalva de que uma pessoa deve ter uma melhor Igreja para separar a antes que ele se separa uma igreja. Ficamos chocados com as doutrinas liberais realizada pelas igrejas fundamental em nossa cidade ". 

      Mais tarde eles me escreveu e contou-me mais detalhes sobre estas coisas. A seguir estão as coisas específicas que eles mencionaram: 
      (1) A ex-pastor não ensinam que as mulheres não devem trabalhar fora de casa, e a esposa do pastor associado trabalha. (2) A igreja organizou festas ou clubes do Dia de São Valentim, Halloween e Natal. (3) O pastor permitiu uma pessoa divorciada a trabalhar no ministério de ônibus. (4) O pastor não conseguiu corrigir publicamente certas declarações erradas que foram dadas durante depoimento e certas vezes (suposto) declarações erradas que foram feitas visitando pregadores. (5) O pastor não conseguiu fazer nada sobre missionários, que brincou e contou histórias no púlpito. (6) Apesar de a igreja tomou uma posição para a KJV, este homem não acho que houve ensino suficiente sobre o tema das versões da Bíblia. (7) O pastor "usou o humor para quebrar a tensão" na sua pregação, ao passo que este sentiu que de espírito sóbrio necessário que frivolidade como no púlpito cessar. (8) O pastor parecia preferem deixar as pessoas mudam de Deus sobre coisas como aparência do cabelo (longo, brincos em homens, etc) ao invés de aproximá-los diretamente. 

      O casal acabou escreveu e disse que eles tinham "separado" da fundamental desta igreja Batista e do seu pastor "por causa de sua doutrina liberal sobre o novo casamento, as mulheres que trabalham fora de casa e sua recusa em corrigir o erro." 

      É natural que em qualquer igreja vamos encontrar coisas com as quais não concordamos. Para praticar a separação Bíblia com base no tipo de coisas discutidas nesta carta, porém, não é adequada ou saudável, na minha opinião. Estas não são questões de "liberalismo" ou apostasia. Estas são questões de preferência, ou, na melhor das hipóteses, as questões relativamente menores. Os membros da Igreja têm de lidar com muitas coisas. 

      Enquanto estamos a separar-se de erro, também somos exortados a nos submeter à autoridade pastoral e ao exercício de graça na igreja. Creio que existem muitos tipos de coisas com as quais podemos discordar em uma igreja, continuando a apresentar-nos a autoridade ordenada por Deus. Não tem de ser uma contradição aqui. 

      Sei de pessoas que se separaram de praticamente todas as igrejas, porque nenhum deles ter o que acreditam ser uma posição apropriada em todos os assuntos. Muitas vezes estas são boas pessoas que querem estar à Palavra de Deus e que querem lutar pela verdade em uma hora confusa e apóstata. (Muitos outros, porém, são controversas as pessoas que simplesmente se recusam a submeter à autoridade ordenada por Deus.) Eu louvo ao Senhor para quem tem um zelo pela verdade nesta hora má, mas eu também acredito que há algumas lições importantes no Palavra de Deus que pode nos ajudar a lidar com a questão complexa de membros da igreja. 

      Eu acredito que o pensamento a seguir, que são uma ampliação da minha resposta original para o casal acima mencionados, pode nos ajudar a ter uma atitude mais fecunda para a montagem, apesar dos muitos problemas e imperfeições que encontramos lá. Tenho pensado e orado muito sobre essas coisas, então por favor paciência comigo enquanto eu oferecer sete coisas que devemos saber e fazer para ser um membro de uma igreja frutífera Novo Testamento. Acho que estas coisas como "chaves para a membresia da Igreja frutífera". 


      Deixe-me apresso-me a dizer que sou totalmente contrário ao ecumenismo e ao compromisso. Eu percebo que a Nova evangélicos e ecumenismo assumir algumas das coisas que vamos tratar neste artigo e desvio-los para desculpar a sua desobediência. Eles falam muito de amor e liberdade, mas tomam versos sobre esses temas fora do contexto e se recusam a lidar com a enorme quantidade de material na Palavra de Deus sobre outros assuntos, como a separação, repreender o pecado e erro, a apostasia, e disciplina . 

      Neste artigo, pretendo tratar com graça e liberdade e submissão à Igreja, mas não pense que eu sou assim, ignorando a responsabilidade de defender a verdade ea justiça. 

      Aqueles que nos conhecem não precisa ser dito isso, mas eu digo isto por causa de nossos leitores que não sabem de nós. Durante vinte e seis anos, já estava sem pedir desculpas para a separação da Bíblia. Neste caso, porém, estamos a tratar de outras questões igualmente importantes. 

      Sete chaves para FRUITFUL IGREJA DE FILIAÇÃO 

      1. Nós devemos ter um relacionamento contínuo COM JESUS CRISTO 

      O primeiro e mais fundamental para membros da igreja frutífera é uma relação real e permanente com Jesus Cristo. 

      "Então disse Jesus aos doze: Quereis vós também retirar-vos? Simão Pedro respondeu-lhe: Senhor, a quem iremos? Tu tens as palavras da vida eterna. E nós acreditamos e temos a certeza que tu és o Cristo, o Filho do Deus vivo "(João 6:67-69). 

      "Permanecei em mim e eu em ti. Como o ramo não pode dar fruto por si mesmo, se não permanecer na videira, não mais pode vós, se não permanecerdes em mim "(João 15:4). 

      "E agora, filhinhos, permanecei nele, para que, quando ele se manifestar, tenhamos confiança, e não se envergonhar diante dele na sua vinda" (1 João 2:28). 

      Para submeter à liderança piedosa pastoral e ter discernimento espiritual para distinguir o certo do errado nas igrejas, é preciso nascer de novo e ter o Espírito de Deus. Muitos membros da igreja que causa problemas desnecessários na igreja e que ferem o bem-estar da igreja, o fazem porque não têm uma relação salvadora com Jesus Cristo. Eles não têm discernimento espiritual, eles andam segundo a carne, em vez de o Espírito, eles não sabem como apresentar à autoridade, e não importa como eles prejudicam a igreja, porque não nasceram de novo. A Bíblia nos adverte que Deus vai lidar seriamente com aqueles que prejudicar a sua igrejas. "Se alguém destruir o templo de Deus, Deus o destruirá, porque o templo de Deus é santo, que sois vós" (1 Coríntios. 3:17). A razão pela qual muitos desordeiros não temem a retribuição de Deus para suas ações nas igrejas é que elas não são salvas. 

      Para ser um ano frutífero membro da igreja depois de anos, não só deve ser salva, mas ele também deve permanecer em Cristo. Ele deve andar em comunhão com Cristo, o Salvador, dia após dia. Quando andamos com Cristo e com os nossos olhos em cima dele, não se ofendeu com o que o homem faz neste mundo. "Muita paz têm os que amam a tua lei, e nada deve ofendê-los" (Salmo 119:165). É por isso que alguns membros da igreja vomitar suas mãos e parar ou tornar-se descontente e espiritualmente ineficaz quando eles testemunham um fracasso pastoral ou algum problema grave, como na igreja, enquanto outros membros da igreja continuar para o Senhor, apesar de algum desânimo que vem sua maneira. Eles estão decepcionados quando os homens falham, mas eles não parar ou desviar-se porque os seus olhos estão sobre aquele que nunca falha! 

      Permanecer em Jesus Cristo é a chave mais importante para a adesão à igreja frutífera. 

      2. Devemos entender A IMPORTÂNCIA DA IGREJA 

      Outra coisa que devemos entender a ser um membro da igreja frutífera é que Deus ordenou a igreja. É uma instituição divina e é o centro da obra de Deus no mundo de hoje e deve continuar até a volta de Jesus. 

      A Bíblia enfatiza que a igreja é meio escolhido de Deus para realizar Seus propósitos nesta idade. Mesmo o estudo mais superficial do Novo Testamento revela que a igreja é meio escolhido de Deus para realizar Seus propósitos nesta idade. Existem mais de 100 referências à Igreja no Novo Testamento. Isso mostra a ênfase que o Espírito Santo tem colocado sobre a igreja, ea grande maioria dessas referências são, inquestionavelmente, para a assembléia local, e não a um aspecto geral ou em perspectiva da igreja. 

      Os homens têm igrejas corrompido, mas a igreja é o plano de Deus. O Senhor Jesus disse: "Eu edificarei a minha igreja, e as portas do inferno não prevalecerão contra ela" (Mateus 16:18). A igreja é o programa de Cristo. 

      A igreja é o pilar e fundamento da verdade (1 Tm. 3:16), e que é uma igreja com os anciãos e presbíteros (1 Tm. 3:1, 8). 

      A maior parte do Novo Testamento foi escrito diretamente para as igrejas. E mesmo aquelas parcelas não escrito diretamente a uma Igreja particular, referem-se à igreja. O tema de Atos é o plantio e multiplicação das primeiras igrejas. Epístolas Pastorais (1 e 2 Timóteo e Tito) foram escritas para instruir plantadores de igrejas em seu trabalho. 

      Mesmo as Epístolas Gerais, que não são escritas para as Igrejas particulares, ter sempre em mente as igrejas. Hebreus refere-se à igreja, nos capítulos 10 e 13. Hebreus 10:25 exorta povo de Deus para não abandonar a montagem dos mesmos juntos. Em Hebreus 13:7 e 17 cristãos são exortados a obedecer governantes igreja. O último capítulo de Tiago refere-se à igreja. Aqueles que estão doentes estão a pedir a "anciãos da igreja." O capítulo final de 1 Pedro também se refere à igreja, ao exortar os idosos em suas funções. João refere-se à igreja em sua terceira epístola, quando ele menciona a Diótrefes orgulhoso. O livro do Apocalipse, é claro, é dirigida às sete igrejas que existiam naquele dia. 

      Considere-se, também, que não há nenhuma instrução bíblica sobre a disciplina e cuidados relógio de cristãos fora da Igreja. Não há nenhuma instrução sobre a liderança entre os cristãos, para além da igreja. Toda a vida e obra do povo de Deus para esta época surge no contexto da montagem. 

      Também temos de compreender o que é uma igreja. Uma boa igreja do Novo Testamento tem alguns ingredientes bíblica. Não é apenas um grupo de cristãos reunidos para a oração e estudo da Bíblia. Paulo escreveu a Tito sobre o trabalho da igreja em Creta. O evangelho tinha sido pregado e não havia crentes que estavam reunidos em conjunto, mas isso não foi suficiente. Paulo instruiu Tito que certas coisas que estavam faltando (Tito 1:5). Quais eram essas coisas? A única coisa que estava faltando era bomqualificado liderança e bíblico organização, e estes são a única coisa que os endereços de Paulo no livro de Tito. A primeira coisa que Paulo instrui Tito é sobre a ordenação de pessoas idosas. "Por esta causa te deixei em Creta, para que pusesses em ordem as coisas que

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