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Re: Re: Res: [Arena NBA] Mercado agitado

Hey, galera!! Legal ver o grupo movimentado de novo.
 
O Chad Ford da Espn gringa fez um ranking dos times que se reforçaram melhor até agora na offseason.
 
Acho que tá bem plausivel... vou colar a matéria pra quem não é "insider"... hehehehe
 
Realmente acho que o Spurs se deu mto bem até agora... só acho que o Pistons tá mto bem rankeado pro meu gosto... eles ainda precisam reforçar mais a posição de C e dificilmente serão contenders em um curto espaço de tempo.
 
 

Ranking the summer moves

Ford By Chad Ford
ESPN.com
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ShaqJennifer Pottheiser/NBAE/Getty ImagesThe Cavs made the biggest splash this offseason, but have they made the best moves of the summer?

You have to love summer in the NBA, when almost every team in the league can be a winner.

You know the feeling: If my team can just make a big trade or a huge free agent acquisition or hit a home run in the lottery, maybe next season will be different.

To that end, we have already seen one of the most active summers in NBA history, with Shaq, Vince Carter, Ron Artest, Hedo Turkoglu, Richard Jefferson, Rasheed Wallace, Trevor Ariza, Ben Gordon, Charlie Villaneuva, Jamal Crawford and Zach Randolph changing addresses and the NBA draft also reshaping rosters -- and we're not done yet.

Here's my first take on how each team in the league has performed so far in remaking its roster, considering the situation it faced and the moves it's made. This isn't a ranking of who the best teams in the league are, just a device to track which teams have improved and which teams haven't.

The teams are ranked 1 to 30, and we'll update the rankings as more signings and trades take place:

Key: (U) = Unrestricted Free Agent; (R) = Restricted Free Agent


1. San Antonio Spurs

Key additions: Richard Jefferson, DeJuan Blair, Antonio McDyess

Key subtractions: Bruce Bowen, Fabricio Oberto, Kurt Thomas

In limbo: Drew Gooden (U), Ime Udoka (U), Jacque Vaughn (U)

The Spurs always seem to find a way to turn a little into a lot. They turned three aging players past their primes into Richard Jefferson -- an athletic forward at the peak of his game. They added Antonio McDyess to play the 4. McDyess is getting older, but is still very productive and a model citizen on and off the court.

And even without a first-round pick in this year's draft, they were still able to come away with some terrific players in the second round. Specifically, Pittsburgh's DeJuan Blair, who was the best rebounder in college basketball and is a beast in the paint. If his knees stay sturdy, he'll go down as the steal of the draft. Overall, the Spurs have dramatically improved their team and are, once again, serious contenders for an NBA title.



2. Los Angeles Clippers

Key additions: Blake Griffin, Quentin Richardson

Key subtractions: Zach Randolph

In limbo: Fred Jones (U), Brian Skinner (U)

For the Clippers faithful looking for a glimmer of hope, this has been your summer. Not only did the Clips beat the lottery odds and land the best pick in the draft -- Blake Griffin -- they also were able to unload Zach Randolph for the expiring contract of Quentin Richardson.

The Clippers now have a nice, young core of Griffin, Eric Gordon and Al Thornton, with seasoned veterans like Baron Davis, Marcus Camby and Chris Kaman. I'm not ready to declare the Clippers playoff-bound, but they made major strides in improving their talent and chemistry this summer.



3. Detroit Pistons

Key additions: Ben Gordon, Charlie Villanueva, Austin Daye

Key subtractions: Allen Iverson, Rasheed Wallace, Amir Johnson, Antonio McDyess (U)

The Pistons' moves this summer have been a little underwhelming. Since Detroit traded away Chauncey Billups for Allen Iverson and his expiring contract, Pistons fans have patiently watched their team struggle for the first time in years. The silver lining the whole season was "Don't worry, great free agents are coming this summer to upgrade the team."

On one hand, Pistons GM Joe Dumars delivered. He signed Ben Gordon, arguably the best free agent on the market, and quickly followed that up by signing Villanueva, probably the best free-agent power forward he could get with the money he had left. The combination of Gordon and Villanueva is an upgrade over Iverson and Wallace.

On the other hand, the Pistons are far from a lock to return to the Eastern Conference finals. They lost a key free agent they wanted to re-sign, Antonio McDyess, they don't have enough cash to sign another significant free agent and they still need a lot of help in the frontcourt, especially at center. Their first-round draft pick is 6-foot-11 and weighs 191 pounds -- meaning he's a few years away. And they are bringing in yet another head coach -- the sixth in Dumars' tenure as GM.

I've learned over the years not to second-guess Dumars -- he's usually right whenever everyone else thinks he's wrong -- but does anyone think this Pistons squad, as currently constructed, is good enough to win a title now or even in two or three years? If the answer is no, can Pistons fans live with being just plain old good?



4. Dallas Mavericks

Key additions: Shawn Marion, Marcin Gortat, Quinton Ross

Key subtractions: Jerry Stackhouse, Antoine Wright, Devean George

In limbo: Brandon Bass (U), Gerald Green (U)

Re-signing Jason Kidd was huge to the Mavs' effort to stay relevant in the West. Adding Marcin Gortat will also help their front line (if the Magic don't match the offer in the next seven days). But the kicker was the addition of Marion. While his presence means that the Mavs will play a pretty unconventional lineup, they clearly have added another terrific rebounder, defender and open-court player in Marion.

While the price was steep (5 years, $39 million), the Mavs are finally back in the conversation as contenders in the West.



5. Washington Wizards

Key additions: Randy Foye, Mike Miller

Key subtractions: Oleksiy Pecherov, Etan Thomas, Darius Songaila

In limbo: Juan Dixon (U)

The Wizards traded the No. 5 pick in the draft -- along with Etan Thomas, Darius Songaila and Oleksiy Pecherov -- to the Wolves for Randy Foye and Mike Miller two days before the draft. Wanting to be serious contenders in the East next season, they didn't think they'd get a player with their first-round pick that would crack their rotation.

Meanwhile, Foye gives them an athletic, dynamic scorer who can play both backcourt positions. And Miller gives them a shooter with deep range -- something the Wizards have been missing. If Gilbert Arenas and Brendan Haywood both come back healthy and motivated, the Wizards could be a serious threat in the East.



6. Boston Celtics

Key additions: Rasheed Wallace

Key subtractions: None

In limbo: Glen Davis (R), Leon Powe (U), Stephon Marbury (U), Mikki Moore (U)

GM Danny Ainge pulled off a coup of sorts by getting Wallace to accept a two-year deal. Sheed can be a pain to deal with at times but he still has a lot of talent and gives the Celtics some much-needed depth on the front line.

All of the talk about trading Rajon Rondo seems to have cooled considerably, and that's probably a good thing for Boston. Rondo was its best player in the playoffs this past season and I'm not sure how trading him would improve the team.



7. Orlando Magic

Key additions: Vince Carter Ryan Anderson

Key subtractions: Hedo Turkoglu, Courtney Lee, Rafer Alston, Tony Battie

In limbo: Marcin Gortat (R), Adonal Foyle (U), Tyronn Lue (U)

The Magic made a gamble I think they'll be happy with in the future. They essentially swapped Hedo Turkoglu and Lee for Vince Carter and Anderson. The gamble was that Turkoglu wasn't worth the $50 million he was looking for in the free-agent market and that Carter, whose contract has only two years of guaranteed money remaining, can do as good a job (or better) as Turkoglu.

The team will be hurting a little more if it can't match Marcin Gortat's offer sheet from the Mavs: Without Gortat, the Magic have virtually no frontcourt depth. So while I think the Magic did get better this summer, their losses could also end up lessening the impact of the Carter trade.



8. Toronto Raptors

Key additions: Hedo Turkoglu, DeMar DeRozan, Reggie Evans, Antoine Wright

Key subtractions: Shawn Marion, Jason Kapono, Anthony Parker (U)

In limbo: Carlos Delfino (R), Joey Graham (U)

The Raptors made a nice free-agent addition in Turkoglu. While they definitely overpaid to get him, he's a great fit on a Raptors team that values spacing, shooting and skilled forwards. They also swung for the fences in the draft, landing DeRozan, who has as much athletic upside as any rookie.

The losses of Parker and Marion will hurt a little, but I think the Raptors are poised to rebound from an awful 2008-09 campaign.



9. Cleveland Cavaliers

Key additions: Shaquille O'Neal, Anderson Varejao, Anthony Parker

Key subtractions: Ben Wallace, Sasha Pavlovic

In limbo: Joe Smith (U), Wally Szczerbiak (U)

I thought the future was now in Cleveland, but if it is, GM Danny Ferry has his work cut out for him. Trading for Shaq was a good deal and made a big splash in the media, but does anyone really believe Shaq has enough left to put the Cavs over the top?

The Cavs also worked to get their biggest free agent, Anderson Varejao, locked up to a six-year, $50 million deal. And the addition of Anthony Parker gives them another veteran presence in their backcourt.

However, not everything's rosy in Cleveland. The Cavs have been spurned by a number of free-agent targets, including Charlie Villanueva, Ron Artest and Trevor Ariza. Two of the key players they added are in their mid-30s. And they had a really odd draft, passing on proven college players like Sam Young and DeJuan Blair for a virtual unknown in Christian Eyenga. The Cavs will, once again, be among the favorites to win it all in 2010. But I'm not sure they've added enough pieces for the future to convince LeBron James to stay.



10. Atlanta Hawks

Key additions: Jamal Crawford, Jeff Teague

Key subtractions: Speedy Claxton, Acie Law

In limbo: Marvin Williams (R), Josh Childress (R), Ronald Murray (U)

The Hawks are still, by and large, a team in limbo. GM Rick Sund has solidified his backcourt by re-signing free agent Mike Bibby, trading for combo guard Jamal Crawford and drafting the uber-athletic combo guard Jeff Teague. And he's started to address his front court, agreeing to a four-year deal with center Zaza Pachulia. But the frontcourt still has lots of questions.

Williams and Childress are both free agents and the costs are mounting. It appears the Hawks are heading in the direction of having everyone back, but until we know for sure on Williams they're still a bit up in the air.



11. New York Knicks

Key additions: Jordan Hill, Toney Douglas, Darko Milicic

Key subtractions: Quentin Richardson

In limbo: David Lee (R), Nate Robinson (R), Chris Wilcox (U)

The Knicks didn't get what they wanted in the draft -- a point guard of the future in either Ricky Rubio or Stephen Curry -- but they did draft the best available players with their two first-round picks. Add in the trade of Darko Milicic for Quentin Richardson, and the Knicks upgraded their front line.

But the truth is we won't know how to grade the Knicks' summer for a while. Lee and Robinson are still out there as restricted free agents, and we have no idea whether they will get offer sheets and, if they do, whether the Knicks will match. If the Knicks match, they'll have to trade Eddy Curry or Jared Jeffries to clear more cap room in the summer of 2010. But with the cap number likely falling into the $53 million area next summer, will they even have enough cash to lure a top-flight free agent?

Based on what the Knicks have done so far this summer, their roster has gotten a little better. But Knicks fans are expecting more.



12. Golden State Warriors

Key additions: Stephen Curry, Acie Law, Speedy Claxton

Key subtractions: Jamal Crawford

In limbo: Rob Kurz (U)

It's hard to grade the Warriors right now because we're still waiting to see if they can pull off the rumored Amare Stoudemire trade. The proposed deal on draft night had them sending Andris Biedrins, Brandan Wright, Marco Belinelli and the No. 7 pick for Stoudemire. But since then the Warriors have been balking at including Curry, whom they drafted with the seventh pick, in the deal.

As it turns out, they think Curry will be perfect in a backcourt with Monta Ellis. I'm not sure I can argue with that. I thought Curry was a great pick on draft night. If the Warriors find a way to pull off the deal without including Curry or Anthony Randolph, they will rocket up this list. If they do include one of them, they'd be giving up a lot for Stoudemire -- maybe too much for them to be a true contender.



13. Oklahoma City Thunder

Key additions: James Harden, B.J. Mullens

Key subtractions: None

In limbo: Desmond Mason (U), Robert Swift (U)

The Thunder are the "it" team among NBA junkies, who have a crush on Sam Presti for quickly turning a bad team into the best young team in the league. Kevin Durant is a superstar in the making. Russell Westbrook could be special. And Harden is a nice addition -- a savvy guard with an old-school game who will be fine playing third fiddle to Durant and Westbrook. If you factor in that last year's other draft pick, Serge Ibaka, has been looking pretty good in summer league, and that Mullens has enormous potential, the Thunder appear to be bursting at the seams with talent.

However, their reticence to make a play in the free-agent market and their voiding of the Tyson Chandler deal in February mean that the Thunder won't be much better than the squad that suited up last season. Eventually, the Thunder will have to take some risks and add some veterans into the mix. I don't blame Presti for being patient, but next year he's probably going to have to make a big move.



14. Sacramento Kings

Key additions: Tyreke Evans, Omri Casspi, Sergio Rodriguez

Key subtractions: None

In limbo: Bobby Jackson (U), Rashad McCants (U), Ike Diogu (U)

The Kings are clearly in rebuilding mode and they aren't spending any money. However, they did make a few nice moves on draft night. Tyreke Evans is a terrific, physical slasher who knows how to score. Omri Casspi is tough as nails and has a high-energy game.

Put them together with the acquisition of Andres Nocioni in February and you can no longer call the Kings soft. On the other hand, you also can't call the Kings good. While the additions of Evans and Casspi help Sacramento's future, it's going to be a long time before you see the Kings in the playoffs again.



15. Utah Jazz

Key additions: Eric Maynor

Key subtractions: None

In limbo: Paul Millsap (R), Jarron Collins (U), Ronnie Price (U), Morris Almond (U), Brevin Knight (U)

GM Kevin O'Connor has had his hands full the past few weeks. Carlos Boozer and Mehmet Okur both opted into their contracts, eschewing free agency and giving the Jazz some serious financial issues. It was both a blessing and a curse. On the one hand, the Jazz are clearly better with both Boozer and Okur. On the other hand, if they re-sign Millsap, they will likely incur the luxury tax -- a big no-no in past years in Utah. Ultimately, I think O'Connor will find a way to move Boozer or Andrei Kirilenko for some cap relief.

The addition of Maynor was the most underrated move of the draft. He'll be a perfect backup for Deron Williams. Overall the Jazz are on pace to be really good again next season -- just at a much higher price tag.



16. Indiana Pacers

Key additions: Tyler Hansbrough, Dahntay Jones

Key subtractions: None

In limbo: Jarrett Jack (R), Marquis Daniels (U), Rasho Nesterovic (U), Maceo Baston (U)

I like the strategy Larry Bird and David Morway are employing in Indiana. They aren't swinging for the fences with their transactions. Instead, they are going for singles and doubles and they've been converting over the past two years. No, Hansbrough isn't a sexy addition, but he should be in the league for 10 years, maybe even as a starter. And he brings the toughness and energy that the Pacers really need. Adding Jones on the perimeter delivers another tough, no nonsense player who can guard multiple positions.

The good news is that if the Pacers can re-sign Jack and Daniels on the cheap, and if Mike Dunleavy comes back healthy, they could make a run at the playoffs next season. The bad news is that even if all of those things happen, the Pacers are still one more star player away from being a serious threat in the East. At some point Bird and Morway are going to have to do something bold if they want to contend like they did before things went downhill after the Palace Brawl.



17. Charlotte Bobcats

Key additions: Gerald Henderson, Derrick Brown

Key subtractions: None

In limbo: Raymond Felton (R), Sean May (U)

After Larry Brown traded half his roster last season, one would expect he'd trade the other half this summer for sure. While the Bobcats have talent, they aren't the playoff contender he wants them to be. However, the Bobcats have been pretty quiet.

Henderson was a solid addition in the draft and, if they can re-up Felton at a reasonable number, they should be set at guard. But rumors are cropping up again that Gerald Wallace is back on the block, so the Bobcats may not be done reshaping their roster just yet.



18. Portland Trail Blazers

Key additions: None

Key subtractions: Sergio Rodriguez

In limbo: Channing Frye (U), Raef LaFrentz (U)

Kevin Pritchard is the most active GM in the league. That's why it's such a shock to be wondering what he's up to on July 8. The team made a huge pitch to Hedo Turkoglu but was left at the altar for the more cosmopolitan Raptors. The Blazers' draft was a disappointment, as well. Pritchard tried to move up high in the draft but couldn't. He ended up taking Spanish forward Victor Claver, who won't play in the league for at least the next two years.

The Blazers are saying they'll be patient. They have cap room and could make a run at David Lee. Or they could sit back and try to be a trade partner for a team trying to clear room. But for a team that came out of the gates saying it had the green light to "go for it" and make a major upgrade, the early results are disappointing.



19. Miami Heat

Key additions: None

Key subtractions: None

In limbo: Jamario Moon (R), Luther Head (U), Jamaal Magloire (U)

The Heat have done virtually nothing this summer, much to the chagrin of soon-to-be free agent Dwyane Wade. The team is wisely trying to save its money for next summer when it should have room to add another great player, like Chris Bosh, to the roster. But in the meantime, Wade and Heat fans are wont to be a little frustrated.



20. Denver Nuggets

Key additions: Ty Lawson

Key subtractions: Dahntay Jones

In limbo: Linas Kleiza (R), Johan Petro (U), Anthony Carter (U)

The Nuggets have some serious cap issues that could cause them to slide even further in these rankings. The pickup of Lawson was a nice draft-night move, and they were quick to re-sign Chris Andersen. But they lost a key starter, Dahntay Jones to the Pacers and are in danger of losing another key reserve (Linas Kleiza) if he gets a big offer.



21. New Orleans Hornets

Key additions: Darren Collison

Key subtractions: None

In limbo: Melvin Ely (U), Ryan Bowen (U)

The Hornets are another team with financial problems that may end up having to trade away good players for cap relief. They almost did it at the trade deadline with Tyson Chandler and his name has surfaced again in trade rumors this summer. With the team unwilling or unable to spend, Hornets fans have to just hold their breath that the damage won't be too bad.



22. Chicago Bulls

Key additions: James Johnson, Taj Gibson, Jannero Pargo

Key subtractions: Ben Gordon

In limbo: Aaron Gray (R)

The Bulls made a big, bold move at the trade deadline in February and gave the Celtics all they could handle in the first round of the playoffs. But since then, things haven't gone well. They lost their best scorer, Gordon, to the Pistons. The word is they're shopping their starting power forward, Tyrus Thomas. And I'm still scratching my head a little concerning their draft.

The Bulls still have lots of talent, but losing Gordon means they've taken a step back.



23. Los Angeles Lakers

Key additions: Ron Artest

Key subtractions: Trevor Ariza

In limbo: Lamar Odom (U)

The Lakers ended the season on the ultimate high of winning a championship. But I haven't liked anything they've done since then.

On draft night they traded away the rights to Toney Douglas and Patrick Beverley for cash and future second-round picks, the argument being they needed to save every penny when trying to re-sign Ariza and Odom. Then they turned around and low-balled Ariza and then replaced him with Artest, one of the most unpredictable players in the history of the game. And now the team is struggling to get Odom re-signed.

I know Artest is a talent, but he's unreliable. Why the Lakers would pass the torch from Ariza, who was just coming into his own, to Artest is a risk I just don't understand. And if somehow Odom decides to bolt for a team like Cleveland for the midlevel exception, the Lakers will have taken a big step backward.

Don't get me wrong: Even with Artest and without Odom, the Lakers would have a shot at winning it all again next year, but they would be much less of a sure thing.



24. Houston Rockets

Key additions: Trevor Ariza

Key subtractions: Ron Artest, Dikembe Mutombo

In limbo: Von Wafer (R)

It's tough to be a Rockets fan right now. Yao Ming might have to miss the entire season with a foot injury. Tracy McGrady is rehabbing again, but you have to wonder if he'll ever be healthy. Ron Artest, who did such a great job of harassing Kobe Bryant in the playoffs, decided that if you can't beat 'em, join 'em.

And so far the best the Rockets have been able to do is sign Ariza. While he's a talented, athletic wing who in the long run will be an upgrade over Artest, in the short run it's not clear exactly how he'll fit. Put all that together and it looks like the Rockets could be a team in free fall in the West next season.



25. Philadelphia 76ers

Key additions: Jrue Holiday, Jason Kapono

Key subtractions: Reggie Evans

In limbo: Andre Miller (U), Donyell Marshall (U), Royal Ivey (U), Theo Ratliff (U), Kareem Rush (U)

The 76ers made the first trade of the offseason, swapping Evans for Kapono. Philly needed the shooting, so that works. And I really liked the Sixers' draft pick, Holiday, a great value at No. 17 in the draft.

But Holiday is not ready to be a big contributor at the point, and the Sixers don't seem close to a deal to re-sign incumbent point guard Miller. If they lose him, the Sixers may take a step back next year, even if Elton Brand is healthy. Miller was the glue and a driving force for that team, and I don't think a combo of Lou Williams and Holiday can replace him.



26. New Jersey Nets

Key additions: Courtney Lee, Terrence Williams, Rafer Alston, Tony Battie

Key subtractions: Vince Carter, Ryan Anderson

In limbo: Maurice Ager (U)

The Nets' draft day was pretty eventful, as for the second straight year they made a major trade to cut payroll. Last year they shipped out Richard Jefferson (for Yi Jianlian and future cap space), and this year it was Carter (for Lee and future cap space).

After the Carter trade, the Nets are going to take a pretty big step backward this season, but they'll take solace in the additions of Lee and Williams, the No. 11 pick. Lee showed a lot of promise as a "Rip Hamilton Jr." in the playoffs, and while he's no Vince Carter, he should be a solid partner in the backcourt with Devin Harris. Williams has the talent of a top-five pick, with great size and athleticism -- he can do just about everything but shoot.

The ultimate success of the Nets' long-range plan won't be known until next summer, when the Nets will have a lot of cap room. If they sign LeBron James, Dwyane Wade, or another star, New Jersey honchos Rod Thorn and Kiki Vandeweghe will look like geniuses. If they don't, their plan takes a major setback.



27. Phoenix Suns

Key additions: Ben Wallace, Sasha Pavlovic, Earl Clark

Key subtractions: Shaquille O'Neal

In limbo: Grant Hill (U), Matt Barnes (U), Stromile Swift (U)

Phoenix GM Steve Kerr broke up one of the most enjoyable teams in NBA history to get O'Neal, and in about a year's time the Suns went from leading the Western Conference to drafting in the lottery. Last month, the Suns gave Shaq away for cap relief, a clear signal the team is rebuilding. Another sign: The Suns have discussed trading away Amare Stoudemire. And while the team is trying to sign 35-year-old point guard Steve Nash to an extension, and might succeed, his long-term future with the franchise is in doubt. On the other hand, the draft addition of Clark was a solid one -- he's super talented and a great fit in the Suns' run-and-gun offense, though he needs to overcome some questions about his character.

The Suns still have talent, but they missed the playoffs in the tough West, and it's not clear how soon they'll be back during this rebuilding period.



28. Milwaukee Bucks

Key additions: Brandon Jennings, Amir Johnson

Key subtractions: Richard Jefferson, Charlie Villanueva

In limbo: Ramon Sessions (R), Keith Bogans (U)

The Bucks took a serious step back when they shipped off Jefferson to the Spurs for nonguaranteed contracts and then didn't give Villanueva a qualifying offer, making him an unrestricted, instead of a restricted, free agent. That move essentially handed him over to the Pistons for nothing.

In the place of Jefferson, Villanueva and possibly starting point guard Sessions, a restricted free agent the Bucks may not be willing to pay, the Bucks are banking on young, unproven talents. Their lottery pick, Jennings, is a terrific athlete who can score like crazy. He needs to get stronger, work on his jump shot and settle down a bit, but he has the tools to be great. Last year's lottery pick, Joe Alexander, will step into Jefferson's shoes -- he's another super athlete, but he looked lost for most of his rookie campaign. And replacing Villanueva will be Johnson, a long, athletic big man who was a disappointment last season for the Pistons but might benefit from a change of scenery.



29. Minnesota Timberwolves

Key additions: Jonny Flynn, Wayne Ellington, Oleksiy Pecherov, Etan Thomas, Darius Songaila

Key subtractions: Randy Foye, Mike Miller

In limbo: Ricky Rubio (???), Rodney Carney (U), Shelden Williams (U)

The Timberwolves had one of the weirdest drafts in NBA history, including the selection of point guards with both of their lottery picks. Two weeks later, we keep waiting to hear about a trade that explains where one of the two -- Rubio or Flynn -- is really going to land, but instead we have Minnesota GM David Kahn saying he wants to keep both of them. Meanwhile, Rubio is threatening to sign with a European team for the next two or three years.

So, to recap: The Wolves sent away two key players on their roster, Foye and Miller, in exchange for some undesirable contracts and a player -- Rubio -- who is threatening that he won't play for the Wolves. If Kahn sorts all of this out, either via trade or by persuading Rubio to come and try his mad experiment, the Wolves will move up in these rankings and I may even call Kahn a genius.

But for now, the team appears to be in disarray and considerably worse off than it was going into the draft. Not a great start for Kahn.



30. Memphis Grizzlies

Key additions: Zach Randolph, Hasheem Thabeet, DeMarre Carroll, Sam Young

Key subtractions: Darko Milicic, Quinton Ross

In limbo: Hakim Warrick (R)

Though I'm not a huge fan of Thabeet, I understand why the Grizzlies went that way on draft night -- Rubio wasn't cooperating and Thabeet filled a need as an athletic shot blocker. And I really liked their other two picks, Carroll and Young, who will provide some of the toughness the Grizz have lacked.

So why are they all the way at the bottom of the list? Because I'm still trying to make sense of the acquisition of Randolph.

The Grizzlies had lots of spending room under the salary cap, and it appeared they had free agent David Lee ready to be the tough, athletic rebounder they need to complement scorers like Rudy Gay and O.J. Mayo. Then suddenly, a day into free agency, they passed on Lee and took on the last two years and $33 million of Randolph's contract instead. Randolph is a talented offensive player, but he has a terrible track record of seldom passing the ball and often getting into trouble, making him perhaps the worst possible fit for a franchise trying to build around some talented young players.

I don't blame Memphis GM Chris Wallace, as a number of sources have told me that it was owner Michael Heisley who pushed for Randolph over Lee. But I don't think it's hyperbole to call this move devastating to the franchise.

Chad Ford covers the NBA for ESPN Insider.



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Spurs + Jefferson + Mcdyess ( - Bowen - Oberto)



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> Lakers + Artest ( - ariza)
> Celtics + Sheed ( - marbury - big baby (talves)) - ta fazendo azilo rsss
> Magic + Carter + bass ( - hedo - r. alston)
> Cavs + shaq + A. parker ( - wally, - big ben - sasha)
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> pra mim o problema é que ano que vem os c´s tem allen e pierce com free agents e um pouco mais velhos...
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> O magic tem os 5 titulares sob contrato por pelo menos mais 3 anos sendo lewis 18,8 carter 16,3 d12 15,1 nelson 6,1 pietrus 5,3 e bass 4,5 sao apenas 66,2 milhoes rsss
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> Assunto: Re: Res: [Arena NBA] Mercado agitado
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> Data: Sexta-feira, 10 de Julho de 2009, 15:31
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> Deve ser parente BEM distante.... soh de ouvir o que ela fez, tive que tomar uns 2 Gatorades e fui descansar, hehe!
> E nosso Cs, como esta? Sheed como sexto homem, um belo reforco! Queria tb o Hill, mas acho bem dificil.
>
> Abs
>
>
> --- Em arenanba@..., adriano camargo escreveu

> >
> > grande tel ....
> >
> > aquele mulher que ganhou a corrida de
> bike nos USA é parente rsss
> >
> > foda ela heim
> >
> > Adriano Camargo
> >
> > Economista - Rio de Janeiro - RJ
> >
> >
> >
> > Para a melhoria do nosso basquete ( e do país) bastaria
> >
> > coerência de principios e honestidade nos objetivos.
> >
> > Wlamir Marques (O mestre).
> >
> > --- Em sex, 10/7/09, Tel Genovesi escreveu:
> >
> > De: Tel Genovesi
> > Assunto: Re: Res: [Arena NBA] Mercado agitado
> > Para: arenanba@...
> > Data: Sexta-feira, 10 de Julho de 2009, 12:17
> >
> > Opa, desculpe nossa falha. Nash ta na lista!
> > Qto ao Rodman, respeito! Pelos aneis e pelos seus numeros na carreira, mas nao era um jogador que eu gostava de assistir. Era um carregador de piano,
> assim como foi Robert Parish, Bill Lambier, etc. Talvez melhor que esses 2, mas um carregador de piano...
> >
> >
> > --- Em arenanba@..., echiarotti@ escreveu
> > >
> > > Mas o Nash tá na lista (#50), Tel...eo Rodman ganhou "apenas" 5 titulos na 
> > > NBA, ou seja, é respeitável...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Jul 10, 2009 11:31am, Tel Genovesi wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > hehehe, esse tipo de assunto eh bem bacana!
> > >
> > > > Existem varias modificacoes que faria nessa lista como a grande maioria 
> > > > de nos. Acho
> que Pete Maravich deveria estar mesmo, assim como Dirk que 
> > > > na minha opiniao eh melhor que Iverson.
> > >
> > > > Shaq #4 eh piada!
> > >
> > > > Bird fora do top5 eh insano!
> > >
> > > > E para deixar uma polemica (mais uma, hehe), pq nao o Nash numa lista que 
> > > > tem Gary Payton? Pra mim, se o Nash nao foi melhor, esta muito muito 
> > > > muito perto do The Glove.
> > >
> > > > E outro que nao colocaria na minha lista com certeza era o Rodman. Teve 
> > > > seus meritos como jogador, foi um excelente reboteiro, mas nao gostava do 
> > > > seu jogo. Ha quem goste....
> > >
> > > > Injustica foi com Scalabrine, Mark Blount, Popeye Jones... na verdade a 
> > > > injustica com seus empresarios que deveriam entrar na lista de melhores 
> > > >
> agentes, hehe.
> > >
> > > > Abs,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Tel
> > >
> > > > 17 time NBA Champions!
> > >
> > > > #33 4ever
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > --- Em arenanba@..., "Marcel" escreveu
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > > nao só isso, ao inves de descer na posiçao, uma galera foi excluida
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > >
> > > > > From: Alexandre Passos de Matos
> > >
> > > > > To: arenanba@...
> > >
>
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 5:13 PM
> > >
> > > > > Subject: Res: Re: Res: [Arena NBA] Mercado agitado
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > > Ai vc ve o critério... O Magic perdeu posição pro Kareem e pro Russell 
> > > > depois de todos aposentados.
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > > > De: Marcel
> > >
> > > > > Para: arenanba@...
> > >
> > > > > Enviadas: Terça-feira, 7 de Julho de 2009 16:52:23
> > >
> > > > > Assunto: Re: Re: Res: [Arena NBA] Mercado agitado
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > > no assunto dos titulos individuais, pq o horry nao tá na lista entao? 
> > > > ou o john 'spider' salley (2 pistons, 1 bulls, 1 lakers)
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > > tenho essa slam com os top 50, de 98 ou 99, é a mesma galera do 
> > > > all-star de cleveland pelo q lembro, no final tem até os q deveriam estar 
> > > > na lista, mas como eram só 50...se nao me engano era nessa ordem, jordan, 
> > > >
> chamberlain, magic, russell e bird os top5, justo...
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > > providencio qd voltar pra casa a materia pra lista
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > > abraço
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > >
> > > > > From: Gilberto Rossetti
> > >
> > > > > To: arenanba@yahoogrupo s.com.br
> > >
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 4:03 PM
> > >
> > > > > Subject: RES: Re: Res: [Arena NBA] Mercado agitado
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > > Lembrando que:
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> Só o Sixers ganharam do Lakers naqueles playoffs (um jogo, mas foi 
> > > > melhor q Portland, Sacramento e San Antonio) e só não tiveram melhor 
> > > > campanha e mando de quadra nas finais pq descansaram na última rodada da 
> > > > regular season e perderam do Bulls, ficando um jogo atrás dos Lakers e em 
> > > > 1.° no Leste.
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > > De: arenanba@yahoogrupo s.com.br [mailto:arenanba@ yahoogrupos. com.br
> > > > Em nome de Luis Claudio Pacheco
> > >
> > > > > Enviada em: terça-feira, 7 de julho de 2009 15:47
> > >
> > > > > Para: arenanba@yahoogrupo
> s.com.br
> > >
> > > > > Assunto: Re: Re: Res: [Arena NBA] Mercado agitado
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > > Mas isso não mudou de imediato, e não tinha nd a ver com o lockout. Ou 
> > > > o título do Lakers foi menor pq ganhou do Sixers?
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > > From: Alexandre Passos de Matos
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > > To: arenanba@yahoogrupo
> s.com.br
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 3:37 PM
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > > Subject: Res: Re: Res: [Arena NBA] Mercado agitado
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > > Entao imagina o oitavo da leste contra o primeiro da oeste...
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > > De: Luis Claudio Pacheco com.br>
> > >
> > > > > Para: arenanba@yahoogrupo s.combr
> > >
> > > > > Enviadas: Terça-feira, 7 de Julho de 2009
> 15:17:01
> > >
> > > > > Assunto: Re: Re: Res: [Arena NBA] Mercado agitado
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > > Mas nessa época a disparidade era tanta que até mesmo o terceiro da 
> > > > conf. leste era capaz de apanhar do oitavo da oeste.
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > > From: Alexandre Passos de Matos
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > > To: arenanba@yahoogrupo s.com.br
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 2:55 PM
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > > Subject: Res: Re: Res: [Arena NBA] Mercado agitado
> > >
> >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > > Final de NBA contra o oitavo classificado nunca aconteceu nem antes nem 
> > > > depois dessa final, cara. Só numa temporada pela metade aconteceria um 
> > > > negocio desses, ainda mais no leste, q normalmente o oitavo é uma baba 
> > > > com campanha negativa.
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > > O Duncan foi MVP nas outras 3 finais sim, assim como o Shaq foi no 
> > > > Lakers e esse fato nao o tornou melhor do q ninguem. So disse q, naquelas 
> > > > finais, ele foi o melhor. E no caso do Shaq ainda foi injusto, pq ele so 
> > > > mereceu mesmo o primeiro dos 3. Nunca mais me esqueço, no meio da 
> > > > comemoração do segundo ou terceiro titulo, comentei: "So deram o MVP pro 
> > > > Shaq pq
> é o Shaq. O Kobe jogou mais.".
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > > De: Luis Claudio Pacheco com.br>
> > >
> > > > > Para: arenanba@yahoogrupo s.com.br
> > >
> > > > > Enviadas: Terça-feira, 7 de Julho de 2009 14:38:36
> > >
> > > > > Assunto: Re: Re: Res: [Arena NBA] Mercado agitado
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > > Se jogou contra o oitavo ou contra o primeiro do leste é o de menos, o 
> > > > Lakers tb já ganhou título em cima de time com campanha bem inferior. 
> > > > Agora vê dos títulos do Spurs em quais o TD foi MVP.
> > >
> > > > >
> >
> >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > > A real é que pra cada argumentação sempre vai ter alguma coisa contra. 
> > > > Seja em títulos, em performance ou no jogo em si.
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > > From: Alexandre Passos de Matos
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > > To: arenanba@yahoogrupo s.com.br
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 2:25 PM
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > > Subject: Res: Re: Res: [Arena NBA] Mercado agitado
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > > O ano das torres gemeas foi foda, pq a temporada foi curta por causa do 
> >
> > > lockout, ainda jogaram a final contra o oitavo do leste. Aquilo nao foi 
> > > > parametro pra muita coisa. E o MVP das finais do ultimo titulo do Spurs 
> > > > foi o Tony Parker. Sera q teriam ganhado só com Duncan e Ginóbili?
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > > Por essas e outras q nao tem como contar titulos na hora de ver quem 
> > > > foi melhor.
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > > De: Luis Claudio Pacheco com.br>
> > >
> > > > > Para: arenanba@yahoogrupo s.com.br
> > >
> > > > > Enviadas: Terça-feira, 7 de Julho de 2009 14:03:01
> > >
> > > > >
> Assunto: Re: Re: Res: [Arena NBA] Mercado agitado
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > > Só continuando no tema, claro que quem tem mais anéis não significa que 
> > > > jogou melhor, mas sem dúvida como ganhou os anéis conta. Ou alguém acha 
> > > > que o Spurs ganharia algo se as torres gêmeas fossem só uma torre ou se 
> > > > só tivessem Parker e Ginóbili?
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > > From: Alexandre Passos de Matos
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > > To: arenanba@yahoogrupo s.com.br
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 12:12 PM
> >
> >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > > Subject: Res: Re: Res: [Arena NBA] Mercado agitado
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > > Ganhar mais anéis não pode ser critério pra definir quem jogou mais, 
> > > > basquete nao é esporte individual. O Duncan é foda mesmo, mas nao sei se 
> > > > jogou mais qo Malone ou Barkley. Isso pra ficar entre os PFs q eu vi.
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > > Sobre Shaq x Magic: poderia ser até um jogo de regular season contra o 
> > > > pior time da liga. Nem precisa ser na final do campeonato, em temporada 
> > > > de calouro ;)
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > > Sobre a futurologia, concordo com vc. Mas a famigerada lista da SLAM 
> > > > diz qo futuro do
> LeBron é top-10 certo...
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > > De: Luis Claudio Pacheco com.br>
> > >
> > > > > Para: arenanba@yahoogrupo s.com.br
> > >
> > > > > Enviadas: Terça-feira, 7 de Julho de 2009 11:11:45
> > >
> > > > > Assunto: Re: Re: Res: [Arena NBA] Mercado agitado
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > > Essa lista é coisa de louco mesmo, cada um vai ter a sua. Agora eu 
> > > > particularmente achei que o Duncan jogou mais que Malone e Barkley, pelo 
> > > > menos ganhou mais anéis que eles - e
> ainda não esqueço aquele jogo de 
> > > > final onde o cara quase fez o QD...
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > > Agora o Shaq só deveria ficar na frente do Magic o dia em que ele jogar 
> > > > uma partida de PG.
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > > Faremos então uma outra brincadeira: daqui a uns 5 anos quem estaria 
> > > > nessa lista? Não seria demais pensar que:
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > > - Kobe chegaria no top 10 fácil, e Lebron no top 20;
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > > - D12, CP3, D-Wade tem potencial pra entrar no top50.
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > > From: Alexandre Passos de Matos
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > > To: arenanba@yahoogrupo s.com.br
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 10:54 AM
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > > Subject: Res: Re: Res: [Arena NBA] Mercado agitado
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > > Essas listas são engraçadas, nego sempre vai fazer alguma parada 
> > > > bizarra e cometer uma(s) injustiça(s).
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > > Jordan, Chamberlain e Russell na frente do Magic é aceitável, é uma 
> > > > questão de opinião e foram 3 monstros. O Chamberlain inclusive
> tem 
> > > > números individuais q valem por quase um time. Eles formam o top-5 com o 
> > > > Kareem. O Oscar Robertson tb da pra aceitar, mas com menos boa vontade.
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > > Agora, Shaq na frente do Magic só pode ser piada de mau gosto... Um foi 
> > > > Rookie Of the Year. O outro foi MVP Finals como calouro, tendo a maior 
> > > > atuação individual da história da liga. Nego ta de sacanagem... E na 
> > > > lista de pivos, Chamberlain, Russell, Shaq e Kareem. Shaq na frente do 
> > > > Kareem?????
> > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > > E Duncan joga(ou) mais q Malone ou Barkley? Se o Duncan fosse gordo e 
> > > > nanico como o Barkley teria feito o mesmo? Fazer oqo Sir Charles fez com 
> > > > aquele físico de
> ex-boxeador decadente não é pra qquer um.
> > >
> > > > >
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Spurs + Jefferson + Mcdyess ( - Bowen - Oberto) ... % Spurs + Jefferson + Mcdyess ( - Bowen - Oberto) On Jul 10, 2009 4:02pm, adriano camargo...
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Hey, galera!! Legal ver o grupo movimentado de novo. O Chad Ford da Espn gringa fez um ranking dos times que se reforçaram melhor até agora na offseason. ...
Rafael Marques
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... No Leste acho que Cavs , Celtics e Magic serão protagonistas de confrontos fantásticos nos próximos playoffs. No Oeste acredito que Spurs e Mavs...
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Pacers = - nada, + nada (draft nao conta), nao renova com ninguem, nao contrata....nada.... Oklahoma idem, mas é time 'novo'...até aceitavel Jazz = - nada,...
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Meio cedo pra fazer ranking desses, ainda tem muita conversa rolando. ... From: Rafael Marques To: arenanba@... Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 4:26...
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Ué... cade todo mundo? as discussões abriram feridas mto profundas?ou não há mais o que se discutir? abraços ... De: Luis Claudio Pacheco...
Marcel Parra
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é de vez em quando faço isso tambem pq a galera tá bem parada mesmo aproveitando ... B. Roy renovou com o Portland ! 5 anos algo em torno de 80Milhoes......
adriano camargo
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Já era a Mega Sena acumulada de ontem...hehehe Aproveitando, viram o calendário da temporada 09/10??? Vários jogos interessantes a serem transmitidos.... ...
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Divulgado o calendário da temporada, alguém tem notícias sobre quem transmitirá no Brasil? ... De: adriano camargo <camargoadriano@...> Assunto:...
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estão todos no training camp se preparando pro fantasy hoops 2009/2010 :o) ... From: Marcel Parra To: arenanba@... Sent: Thursday, August 06,...
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Aff...absurdo. Ou esse time detona o recorde do Bulls do Jordan ou o Artest implode o time de tanto arrumar confusão. E AI pode ir parar em Chicago, falam que...
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Sou mais o nosso recorde de 15-1 no playoff. Recorde de temporada regular nao vale de nada (na minha opiniao). O q vale é anel. Com Kobe, Gasol, Odom e...
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A diferença é que Jordan nunca precisou de super time pra colocar os seis anéis que tem.. Pode ser com Longley ou qualquer um ele só dependia dele mesmo......
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Opa, Jordan sem Pippen? ... From: Romero Veras To: arenanba@... Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 2:51 PM Subject: Re: [Arena NBA] Mercado agitado A...
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Assino embaixo. Jordan tinha Pippen, no mínimo. Rodman e Kukoc eram excelentes. No mais, times ajeitados e o técnico mais vencedor da história. _____ De:...
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Isso q eu ia falar. Eram dois top-50 de todos os tempos, fora os coadjuvantes do nivel de Tony Kukoc, Dennis Rodman e outros. To começando a sentir o...
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Mudando de pato p/ ganso....o Turkoglu acabou de aceitar a proposta do POR...mais q troca de equipe... On Jul 3, 2009 5:02pm, Alexandre Passos de Matos ... ...
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3 de Jul de 2009
8:06 pm

Pippen sempre foi um jogador comum, razoável, veja o que aconteceu com ele depois da aposentadoria de Jordan... Agora, Kobe sem Shaquile, sem Gasol, Sem Odom,...
Romero Veras
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4 de Jul de 2009
6:11 pm

Não entendi a comparação. O Pippen era apenas razoável. Gasol e Odom são o que?! _____ De: arenanba@......
Paulo Tescarolo
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4 de Jul de 2009
6:19 pm

Totalmente louco essa comparação! rs !! !! !! ________________________________ De: Paulo Tescarolo <paulot11@...> Para: arenanba@... ...
Jaime Caetano Rodrigues
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4 de Jul de 2009
6:29 pm

Gasol e Odom são razoáveis também (colocando isso para separar dos gênios, ok ?), mas atuam mais dentro do garrafão, o que ajuda e muito um ala de força,...
Romero Veras
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4 de Jul de 2009
10:08 pm

O jogo era diferente na época do Jordan, 10-15 anos atras. Quem tinha pivô não arrumava grandes coisas, quem arrumava não tinha jogo baseado em garrafão....
Alexandre Passos de M...
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6 de Jul de 2009
11:26 am

Cara, o Tom Chambers foi o maior da história da NBA! larga a mão. E o pivô do Suns era o Mark West. O Suns só perdeu porque o Chambers tava velho, era...
Paulo Tescarolo
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6 de Jul de 2009
3:11 pm

eu lembro mais do Chambers como PF e não como pivô mas dizer que por causa dele o Suns perdeu a série pros Bulls é forçar a barra...
Expedito Paz
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7 de Jul de 2009
2:16 am

Deixando as piadas de lado... A revista Slam deste mês fez a lista dos 50 maiores da história, é uma matéria bem bacana. Alguma bancas vendem por 35 reais....
Paulo Tescarolo
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7 de Jul de 2009
4:47 am

O Pete Maravich ta na lista?? Se nao tiver nao compro! 2009/7/7 Paulo Tescarolo <paulot11@...> ... O Pete Maravich ta na lista?? Se nao tiver nao...
Paulo Braga
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7 de Jul de 2009
5:02 am

Já recebi a revista. O Pete não está na lista. Se quiserem amanhã eu scaneio e passo a matéria para lista... Se é para alimentar a discussão... quem é...
Gilberto Rossetti
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7 de Jul de 2009
12:49 pm

Pippen é um dos 50 melhores da NBA, o 2o melhor a vestir a camisa do Bulls, 2 medalhas olimpicas, só isso.... até o pós-Bulls pro pippen foi melhor, qs...
Marcel
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4 de Jul de 2009
9:04 pm

Perfeito! Tem ainda o Phil Jackson, que foi o cara responsável por mudar o jeito como o Jordan encarava o jogo. Pegou um cara que dava show sozinho e o ...
Paulo Tescarolo
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4 de Jul de 2009
9:34 pm

Numa boa, não acho heresia a comparação não. O Jordan foi mesmo melhor q o Kobe (por enquanto), mas daí a comparação se tornar heresia vai uma...
Alexandre Passos de M...
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